tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9007776560535676200.post8864095846332491907..comments2024-02-16T04:18:23.151-05:00Comments on The Shitty Christian Blog: Strangers In The Land: What the Bible Says About Immigration (Ger 001)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9007776560535676200.post-64276619063683895652018-07-16T04:58:40.373-04:002018-07-16T04:58:40.373-04:00Noticed you said this: In this case, as a moral in...Noticed you said this: In this case, as a moral injunction, I would make that against the erasure of national distinctions via globalism, not individual choice of mates.<br /><br />That clears up where you're coming from. Yes, Satan wants to put all humans under his thumb, and one of his stratagems is to put us under an Anti-Christ world government. Breaking down the individuality of cultures is laying the groundwork for that.<br /><br />I am, as always, spergy about details here.The Revhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00613896904824854770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9007776560535676200.post-27956775271898736032018-07-16T04:45:56.506-04:002018-07-16T04:45:56.506-04:00In that case, I think we have to acknowledge that ...In that case, I think we have to acknowledge that "the nations" have changed significantly since Babel, with various groups splitting off from others and other groups being destroyed entirely. So if the idea is that the nations established at Babel will remain unchanged until the end of time, then it's just false on its face. Even in Genesis, we see groups splitting off into new nations after Babel, not the least of which is Israel.<br /><br />Now, if you just mean that various nations and languages will continue to exist until the end, that's much more likely. Depending on which interpretation of the End Times you want to go with, it does seem likely that there will be an Anti-Christ One World Government in the end. Of course, it also means that when the nations are brought under one formal government, it will be a very bad thing indeed.<br /><br />At the same time, we know from Daniel that Christ is the Rock that will smash the nations of men and set up the Kingdom with no end. But that won't be a formal, visible political entity until He physically returns to rule.<br /><br />As with all things in the Bible, we need to apply wisdom. I've seen nothing in the Old or New Testament that would completely disallow people moving between nations. At the same time, the One World, One Government, One Religion movement is openly Anti-Christ, so we don't need to resort to deep theological strategem to condemn it.The Revhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00613896904824854770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9007776560535676200.post-36887927690017826992018-07-13T00:31:53.397-04:002018-07-13T00:31:53.397-04:00Oh, when I was talking about God dividing the nati...Oh, when I was talking about God dividing the nations I was referring to way back in Genesis with the Tower of Babel. Even if you don't read Genesis literally (not a huge problem with that), it still says that the divisions of humanity into races and language groups is the work of God, and to invert Jesus' words, what God has divided, let no man join together. (In this case, as a moral injunction, I would make that against the erasure of national distinctions via globalism, not individual choice of mates.)Zaklog the Greathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032122303887020023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9007776560535676200.post-27080396490180667852018-07-11T02:50:56.705-04:002018-07-11T02:50:56.705-04:00What you've described is a fair summary of a c...What you've described is a fair summary of a common Alt-Right Christian perspective. <br /><br />Deuteronomy 32 is fairly down the pipe for me since it's not a ger passage, but it's worth taking a peek at. Here's verses 7-9:<br /><br />“Remember the days of old,<br />Consider the years of many generations.<br />Ask your father, and he will show you;<br />Your elders, and they will tell you:<br />When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,<br />When He separated the sons of Adam,<br />He set the boundaries of the peoples<br />According to the number of the children of Israel.<br />For the Lord’s portion is His people;<br />Jacob is the place of His inheritance."<br /><br />Deuteronomy 32 is about the borders of the tribes of Israel, not the division of nations after Babel. How did God set the boundaries? Not according to the number of nations, but "according to the number of the children of Israel." And if you push on downwards to verse 10 and beyond, it's clear that it's Jacob (the Israelites) that is in view.<br /><br />You've got a better chance arguing from Acts 17:26-28:<br /><br />"And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’"<br /><br />Now the idea that the times and borders of the various nations/ethnic groups are divinely appointed is 100% biblical. It is after all God that exterminates the wicked Canaanites from the land for their sins, sets the borders of Israel, and then drives the Israelites out of the land for the exact same sins.<br /><br />But as those same examples show, the existence of any given ethnic group is not permanent. They rise up and are exterminated in accordance with the times God has set.<br /><br />So is intentionally mixing ethnic groups treated as a sin in the Bible? Unless the result is drawing people into the worship of false gods, no.<br /><br />However, it's worth remembering that foreigners inheriting your land and fortune is treated as a curse in the Bible, so intentionally overwhelming your country with foreigners is like intentionally breeding a plague of locusts: not an explicitly listed sin, but why the hell would you do it?<br /><br />So to sum up, nations/ethnic groups are not static categories, and anyone who tries to end the existence of your ethnic group is trying to bring a curse upon you. React accordingly.The Revhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00613896904824854770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9007776560535676200.post-38392922004183435952018-06-17T09:56:10.532-04:002018-06-17T09:56:10.532-04:00Just started reading this series. I'm curious ...Just started reading this series. I'm curious what you have to say. Regarding that cartoon and Deut. 32:8, by the way, I'm at least somewhat in tune with the alt-right, and I'm not aware of any who say that nations never change and new nations never emerge. What I've heard said regarding the Bible, and what I agree with, is that the Bible says that God divided the nations (which corresponds more to what we would call "ethnic groups" than nation-states), that the Bible talks about them being in existence all the way through to the end in Revelations, and therefore anyone who deliberately intends to end national (ethnic) distinctions should be viewed with profound suspicion.<br /><br />I'm very curious what you will say when you get to Deuteronomy 28. But I suppose I shall have to wait for that.Zaklog the Greathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032122303887020023noreply@blogger.com